Ruemmler called her jokes to Epstein about his abuse of minors ‘in extraordinarily poor taste’
Back in July 15, Kathryn Ruemmler, former top lawyer at Goldman Sachs and White House counsel under former President Barack Obama, testified before the House Oversight Committee on her ties to late pedophile and accused sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein.
Yesterday (29), a transcript of her testimony was released, shedding light on the deposition.
Ruemmler admitted to lawmakers that she joked with Epstein in 2016 about his conviction of ‘soliciting a minor for prostitution’, and she also controversially called the allegations by late Epstein victim Virginia Roberts Giuffre ‘not credible’.
Kathryn Ruemmler, previously a White House counsel to Obama, met dozens of times with Epstein and was cited on hundreds of emails between him and his lawyers. https://t.co/D5ENERVFz2 pic.twitter.com/a0LAnNqnj9
— Karli Bonne’ 🇺🇸 (@KarluskaP) January 20, 2026
The New York Post reported:
“Ruemmler, who resigned from Goldman Sachs earlier this year after her extensive communications with the notorious sex fiend were released by the Justice Department, told the House Oversight Committee the joke – ‘Best massage ever, but not your kind of massage’ – was made in ‘extraordinarily poor taste’, according to a transcript of her July 15 testimony released Wednesday.
‘I certainly knew that he had pled guilty to two prostitution-related offenses and that those — that those involved — that conduct involved sexualized massages’,” Ruemmler acknowledged during her grilling before the committee. So what I was making here was an offhanded joke that, certainly sitting here in 2026, is in extraordinarily poor taste, but it was a joke about his prior criminal history’, she continued.”
🇺🇸 Obama’s WH Counsel legal advice: “I think the point is that if she was underage, she could not legally consent to engaging in prostitution.”
→ Obama’s former White House Counsel gave Epstein legal advice on sex with minors!
🗣️ Epstein: “If girl X continues to claim that she… https://t.co/Wx7nMenvQI pic.twitter.com/x1491vAa5R
— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) February 4, 2026
Ruemmler admitted receiving gift cards to high-end stores from Epstein, ‘including Bergdorf Goodman, a Fendi coat and bag, a Hermes bag and an Apple Watch with a Hermes band’.
“’With respect to gifts, I didn’t ask for them, I didn’t need them, and I didn’t view them as particularly personal or consequential’, she told lawmakers. ‘I accepted them graciously, as I saw no reason not to, but the gifts weren’t important to me, and I declined to accept some of them. In any event, nothing he gave me caused me to deal with him any differently than I otherwise would have’.”
The high-octane lawyer was grilled on why she referred to Epstein as ‘sweetie’, ‘older brother’ and ‘Uncle Jeffrey’ in their correspondence, and had to deny ever having a romantic relationship with him.
KATHRYN RUEMMLER TESTIFIES ON EPSTEIN TIES AFTER RESIGNING FROM GOLDMAN SACHS
Former Obama White House counsel Kathryn Ruemmler, who resigned as Goldman Sachs’ general counsel in February after emails showed she called Jeffrey Epstein “Uncle Jeffrey” and accepted lavish gifts… pic.twitter.com/4fxi3DDMGx
— Washington Eye (@washington_EY) July 25, 2026
But probably the most controversial element of her deposition that has been reported upon so far was her characterization of the allegations made by the late Virginia Roberts Giuffre as being ‘not credible’.
As we have reported here on TGP, Giuffre got financial compensation in civil court from Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell and (former) Prince Andrew. The trifecta.
The simple result of these lawsuits flies in the face of Ruemmler’s assertion.
As one would expect, Virginia Giuffre’s family was livid by that, and hit back at Ruemmler in the press for saying that Giuffre’s sex trafficking allegations ‘lacked sufficient detail’.
Watch: Giuffre – ‘I was trafficked to a prince’.
That old clip of Virginia Giuffre saying “I was trafficked to a prince” is circulating again, and wow, it hits different now.
She sat on Savannah Guthrie’s show, named Prince Andrew, Epstein, and Ghislaine like it was nothing.
Now Virginia is suddenly “suicided,” and… https://t.co/iemnkYRoJG pic.twitter.com/rOPA7V6rVC
— Mario Nawfal (@MarioNawfal) February 14, 2026
The Telegraph reported:
“Virginia Giuffre’s family have hit out at a prominent Democratic lawyer after she claimed the Jeffrey Epstein victim ‘lacked inherent credibility’.
[…] In closed-door testimony delivered earlier this month and published on Wednesday, Ms. Ruemmler said: ‘There were allegations that she made that were, I believed based on my experience as a former prosecutor and as a defense counsel, that were of such a nature that they were – they lacked inherent credibility. Typically, when someone says, I was sex trafficked to someone, they say who, when, where, not multiple world leaders, multiple foreign presidents’.”
Kathy Ruemmler doubled down and said she doesn’t believe Virginia Giuffre. Not surprising, but surprising she said the quiet part out loud.#EpsteinFiles pic.twitter.com/774v5PwBJQ
— Ellie Leonard🇺🇦 (@RedPencilScript) July 29, 2026
“Sky Roberts, the brother of Giuffre, who took her own life last year, and his wife Amanda Roberts, accused the Goldman Sachs lawyer of ‘trying to get people to believe she didn’t know Jeffrey Epstein was actively engaged in sex trafficking’.
‘To attempt to cast doubt on Virginia, whose bravery was the reason so many other survivors stepped forward, resulting in more than 50 people from having to step down from their positions of power, is reprehensible. She should be ashamed of herself’, they said in a statement on Wednesday evening. ‘Kathy Ruemmler enriched herself while girls and young women suffered and had their lives destroyed because she enabled their abuser. Shame on Goldman Sachs for keeping her in its employ’.”
Strange exchange here between Jeffrey Epstein and Obama’s White House Counsel, Kathryn Ruemmler. It’s unclear why Epstein wanted Ruemmler to speak to the “boss,” or who exactly he meant by that. pic.twitter.com/bslfklXuB8
— Hans Mahncke (@HansMahncke) November 12, 2025
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